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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Bush Playing American Christians For Suckers&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2006/10/bush-playing-american-christians-for-suckers/comment-page-2/#comment-565</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 21:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am distinguishing between warranted and unwarranted and useful and useless.
The Bible says that nobody has authority except that was given by God. We can honor them and still call them wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am distinguishing between warranted and unwarranted and useful and useless.<br />
The Bible says that nobody has authority except that was given by God. We can honor them and still call them wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: GV</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2006/10/bush-playing-american-christians-for-suckers/comment-page-2/#comment-563</link>
		<dc:creator>GV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 18:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott,

Positive criticism is a wonderful thing, but negative criticism has its place. If we are going to be biblical, we must make room for negative criticism. There are times (I would suggest our own) when the people of God need to be told that they are stupid and wicked (Jeremiah 4:22; Gal. 3:1). There are times (again, our own) when the false shepherds that the covenant people have raised up for themselves need to be exposed as stupid (Jer. 10:21). Sometimes they must be exposed for what they really are, say, broods of vipers (Matt. 3:7). There is even room for wishing that those who lead the people astray would emasculate themselves (Gal. 5:12).

We live in a very &quot;nice&quot; day and positive criticism is all the rage, but we as the covenant people do not need positive criticism and neither do our shepherds. We need to hear the truth, which at this stage in the game, ain&#039;t gonna be pretty (biblical and appropriate, but not pretty).

Lastly, we are indeed to honer the God ordained authorities, but we must&#039;nt give undue honor to those who dshonor Christ (in or out of the church). It is at times appropriate to expose them as beasts, wolves, snakes. It is also appropriate to pray that God would &quot;kick in the teeth&quot; or our enemies (Pslam 3:7). The church has many enemies today (within and without). They are certainly for our sanctification, but they need to be exposed for what they are, enemies of Christ. Surely, we must love them (i.e., fulfill the law toward them), but we must also expose them lest (as in our day) the sheep yoke themselves to their Savior&#039;s enemies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott,</p>
<p>Positive criticism is a wonderful thing, but negative criticism has its place. If we are going to be biblical, we must make room for negative criticism. There are times (I would suggest our own) when the people of God need to be told that they are stupid and wicked (Jeremiah 4:22; Gal. 3:1). There are times (again, our own) when the false shepherds that the covenant people have raised up for themselves need to be exposed as stupid (Jer. 10:21). Sometimes they must be exposed for what they really are, say, broods of vipers (Matt. 3:7). There is even room for wishing that those who lead the people astray would emasculate themselves (Gal. 5:12).</p>
<p>We live in a very &#8220;nice&#8221; day and positive criticism is all the rage, but we as the covenant people do not need positive criticism and neither do our shepherds. We need to hear the truth, which at this stage in the game, ain&#8217;t gonna be pretty (biblical and appropriate, but not pretty).</p>
<p>Lastly, we are indeed to honer the God ordained authorities, but we must&#8217;nt give undue honor to those who dshonor Christ (in or out of the church). It is at times appropriate to expose them as beasts, wolves, snakes. It is also appropriate to pray that God would &#8220;kick in the teeth&#8221; or our enemies (Pslam 3:7). The church has many enemies today (within and without). They are certainly for our sanctification, but they need to be exposed for what they are, enemies of Christ. Surely, we must love them (i.e., fulfill the law toward them), but we must also expose them lest (as in our day) the sheep yoke themselves to their Savior&#8217;s enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2006/10/bush-playing-american-christians-for-suckers/comment-page-2/#comment-564</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 15:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GV,
Warranted criticism is healthy and good, but name calling doesn&#039;t do much for anybody.
I don&#039;t care about winning friends or yoking with apostates, but I think Christians should influence people and the culture (a Christ-ordained and Christ-centered mission).
Also, Biblical characters honored those in authority despite ungodly character (while trying to influence them for the good), and God used this to carry out his plans. They critiqued, but honored God-given authority. They did all of this without dragging their brothers&#039; names through the mud.
We do need more preaching - the kind that edifies (good criticism edifies). We need good people like you who center on and submit to Christ, and then you and I stand together - a chord not easily broken. This yields the influence that we&#039;ve been talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GV,<br />
Warranted criticism is healthy and good, but name calling doesn&#8217;t do much for anybody.<br />
I don&#8217;t care about winning friends or yoking with apostates, but I think Christians should influence people and the culture (a Christ-ordained and Christ-centered mission).<br />
Also, Biblical characters honored those in authority despite ungodly character (while trying to influence them for the good), and God used this to carry out his plans. They critiqued, but honored God-given authority. They did all of this without dragging their brothers&#8217; names through the mud.<br />
We do need more preaching &#8211; the kind that edifies (good criticism edifies). We need good people like you who center on and submit to Christ, and then you and I stand together &#8211; a chord not easily broken. This yields the influence that we&#8217;ve been talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: GV</title>
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		<dc:creator>GV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 18:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would seem more that Christ&#039;s influence among the American church has waned. We&#039;ve become addicted to winning friends and influencing people instead of relentlessly applying the law of God to our culture (in this case politics). The reason our influence has waned is because we&#039;ve forsaken that which was to be our light before the nations. Further, those who attempt to analyze our culture in terms of that light are now considered mere critics and not leaders.

As I read back through some of the major and minor critics in my Bible, I do not see any of them yoking with their apostate leaders in the name of influence or vocal unity. They just kept preaching, and preaching, and preaching, and preaching.

We need more of this, not less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would seem more that Christ&#8217;s influence among the American church has waned. We&#8217;ve become addicted to winning friends and influencing people instead of relentlessly applying the law of God to our culture (in this case politics). The reason our influence has waned is because we&#8217;ve forsaken that which was to be our light before the nations. Further, those who attempt to analyze our culture in terms of that light are now considered mere critics and not leaders.</p>
<p>As I read back through some of the major and minor critics in my Bible, I do not see any of them yoking with their apostate leaders in the name of influence or vocal unity. They just kept preaching, and preaching, and preaching, and preaching.</p>
<p>We need more of this, not less.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2006/10/bush-playing-american-christians-for-suckers/comment-page-2/#comment-561</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 15:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MRB, that&#039;s quite an accusation to call Republican Christians hypocrites who must only be pretending to care about aborted babies if they believe the &quot;pack of lies.&quot; First, not everyone is as well-informed as you. And even if they were, I&#039;m not sure they would reach all of your conclusions. Regardless, I don&#039;t think you can equate radical Islamic groups to unborn babies. Many innocents have surely died in Iraq, but how many compared to the whole number of deaths?
I have read several of your articles on other topics over the last couple months, and appreciate much of what you have to say. However, I still can not understand your all-out hatred of anything Republican. I understand how the party is abused by payers of lipservice and that we&#039;ve had bad leaders, but that doesn&#039;t make me evil, hypocritical, or even necessarily hoodwinked. I think that Christians like you, with your gifts, could help make more of a difference by strengthening the Christian policital force by uniting with the existing group, and leading the way where others have failed. Christian influence is waning because our voices are scattered. We need leaders more than critics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MRB, that&#8217;s quite an accusation to call Republican Christians hypocrites who must only be pretending to care about aborted babies if they believe the &#8220;pack of lies.&#8221; First, not everyone is as well-informed as you. And even if they were, I&#8217;m not sure they would reach all of your conclusions. Regardless, I don&#8217;t think you can equate radical Islamic groups to unborn babies. Many innocents have surely died in Iraq, but how many compared to the whole number of deaths?<br />
I have read several of your articles on other topics over the last couple months, and appreciate much of what you have to say. However, I still can not understand your all-out hatred of anything Republican. I understand how the party is abused by payers of lipservice and that we&#8217;ve had bad leaders, but that doesn&#8217;t make me evil, hypocritical, or even necessarily hoodwinked. I think that Christians like you, with your gifts, could help make more of a difference by strengthening the Christian policital force by uniting with the existing group, and leading the way where others have failed. Christian influence is waning because our voices are scattered. We need leaders more than critics.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim H</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2006/10/bush-playing-american-christians-for-suckers/comment-page-2/#comment-560</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy gives 50,000 as the number. But no one seems to notice that that is the same order of magnitude as the # of deaths imputed to Saddam Hussein according to the evidence I assembled &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.butler-harris.org/archives/100&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

So, depending on who you ask, the Republicans are guilty of between 1 and 10 &quot;Saddam units&quot; of murder.

But in his case, it was spread out over 30 years!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy gives 50,000 as the number. But no one seems to notice that that is the same order of magnitude as the # of deaths imputed to Saddam Hussein according to the evidence I assembled <a href="http://www.butler-harris.org/archives/100" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>So, depending on who you ask, the Republicans are guilty of between 1 and 10 &#8220;Saddam units&#8221; of murder.</p>
<p>But in his case, it was spread out over 30 years!</p>
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		<title>By: MRB</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2006/10/bush-playing-american-christians-for-suckers/comment-page-2/#comment-559</link>
		<dc:creator>MRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathy (#34) -

The &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6495753.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BBC&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2396031.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Independent&lt;/a&gt; report that British government scientists &quot;backed the methods&quot; of the estimated 600,000 plus casualties figure given in the Lancet. This information was obtained through a BBC freedom of information request.

So the British government&#039;s own people acknowledge the soundness of the study, but Kool Aid-drinking Republicans don&#039;t. This shows that when you are grips of a theory you immunize yourself from all unwanted facts.

But even if forced to admit their error, I don&#039;t think that the war party faithful care. So what if over half a million Iraqis have died due to the U.S. invasion? We had to strike back for 9-11 or remove the WMD&#039;s or rescue the Iraqis from tyranny or whatever the latest lie to justify the war is.

For most, this is just a number. It is abstract and without any impact on their lives. But to the families who have lost mothers, fathers, sons and daughters, this is more than just a number. Every one of those half a million represent once living human beings who was loved and who is missed.

The hypocrisy of Republican Christians is unbearable. Please don&#039;t pretend to care about aborted infants if you don&#039;t care for those who have been killed with your tacit approval for nothing more than a pack of lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathy (#34) -</p>
<p>The <a rel="nofollow" href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6495753.stm" rel="nofollow">BBC</a> and <a rel="nofollow" href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/article2396031.ece" rel="nofollow">The Independent</a> report that British government scientists &#8220;backed the methods&#8221; of the estimated 600,000 plus casualties figure given in the Lancet. This information was obtained through a BBC freedom of information request.</p>
<p>So the British government&#8217;s own people acknowledge the soundness of the study, but Kool Aid-drinking Republicans don&#8217;t. This shows that when you are grips of a theory you immunize yourself from all unwanted facts.</p>
<p>But even if forced to admit their error, I don&#8217;t think that the war party faithful care. So what if over half a million Iraqis have died due to the U.S. invasion? We had to strike back for 9-11 or remove the WMD&#8217;s or rescue the Iraqis from tyranny or whatever the latest lie to justify the war is.</p>
<p>For most, this is just a number. It is abstract and without any impact on their lives. But to the families who have lost mothers, fathers, sons and daughters, this is more than just a number. Every one of those half a million represent once living human beings who was loved and who is missed.</p>
<p>The hypocrisy of Republican Christians is unbearable. Please don&#8217;t pretend to care about aborted infants if you don&#8217;t care for those who have been killed with your tacit approval for nothing more than a pack of lies.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2006/10/bush-playing-american-christians-for-suckers/comment-page-2/#comment-558</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 02:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You always were a softy.

M.A.B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You always were a softy.</p>
<p>M.A.B.</p>
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		<title>By: MRB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MRB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Oct 2006 00:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M.A.B. - Indeed, but I am trying to be charitable.  I will admit, though, that as time passes, it becomes harder and harder to be charitable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M.A.B. &#8211; Indeed, but I am trying to be charitable.  I will admit, though, that as time passes, it becomes harder and harder to be charitable.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is the possibility that they are not suckers or patsies, but fully informed and deliberate in their betrayals.

M.A.B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is the possibility that they are not suckers or patsies, but fully informed and deliberate in their betrayals.</p>
<p>M.A.B.</p>
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