Comments on: Movie. Downfall, 2004. (HIx: 4) http://firstword.us/2006/10/movie-downfall-2004-hix-4/ How can you have the last word if you haven't heard the first? Tue, 27 Jul 2010 13:31:00 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: s. e. hoffmeister http://firstword.us/2006/10/movie-downfall-2004-hix-4/comment-page-1/#comment-587 s. e. hoffmeister Mon, 16 Oct 2006 23:18:27 +0000 http://butler-harris.org/archives/89#comment-587 hi tim, we talked about this movie a bit ago and yes it is hard to watch, i do not know if it is because of the violence or the fact that the story follows the historical record so close. The pain and utter confusion that these people go through when Hitler does show himself to be the true UBERMENCH, he feels nothing...i also liked the camera angles in the end as parts got smaller and smaller, Hitler's room gets small and darker till he is in a small office completely dark, when i think the secretary comes in, and if memory serves right he is looking at a picture of Clausewitz...I also agree with MB in that the one scene he speaks of is problematic and i think Speer is made out to be to umm consciencent in the end. I also agree that as good as this movie is i would have a hard time emotionally seeing it again...This is on par in parts with Hotel Rwanda.Same problem..One more scene hopefully not giving too much away was the Last General in charge of Berlin i forget his name, gets called during a fire fight, his aide answers and gives the general the phone, he argues with the spokeperson and hangs up; his aide looking at him in a bit of a question-like way,gets the general saying that he has been called in for moving away from the front line and is to be shot.. he buttons up and takes his aide tO HQ.They get to a desk near Hitlers area and a man behind the desk asks why they are there and without breaking stride the general says to be shot.. the desk jockey then asks for him to please hand over the firearms which they do...this scene is soooo funny in a way because of the utter insanity... later, or should i say Spater, s. e. hoffmeister hi tim,
we talked about this movie a bit ago and yes it is hard to watch, i do not know if it is because of the violence or the fact that the story follows the historical record so close. The pain and utter confusion that these people go through when Hitler does show himself to be the true UBERMENCH, he feels nothing…i also liked the camera angles in the end as parts got smaller and smaller, Hitler’s room gets small and darker till he is in a small office completely dark, when i think the secretary comes in, and if memory serves right he is looking at a picture of Clausewitz…I also agree with MB in that the one scene he speaks of is problematic and i think Speer is made out to be to umm consciencent in the end. I also agree that as good as this movie is i would have a hard time emotionally seeing it again…This is on par in parts with Hotel Rwanda.Same problem..One more scene hopefully not giving too much away was the Last General in charge of Berlin i forget his name, gets called during a fire fight, his aide answers and gives the general the phone, he argues with the spokeperson and hangs up; his aide looking at him in a bit of a question-like way,gets the general saying that he has been called in for moving away from the front line and is to be shot.. he buttons up and takes his aide tO HQ.They get to a desk near Hitlers area and a man behind the desk asks why they are there and without breaking stride the general says to be shot.. the desk jockey then asks for him to please hand over the firearms which they do…this scene is soooo funny in a way because of the utter insanity…

later,
or should i say Spater,
s. e. hoffmeister

]]> By: MRB http://firstword.us/2006/10/movie-downfall-2004-hix-4/comment-page-1/#comment-586 MRB Mon, 16 Oct 2006 20:56:13 +0000 http://butler-harris.org/archives/89#comment-586 Indeed it is painful to watch, but a very good movie, nonetheless. Bruno Ganz's Hitler is accurate. He was not the raving lunatic that the media portray him to be. One scene hit a false cord, though. It is unlikely Junge could have openly walked through the Soviet line without being molested. After the fall, Stalin gave the Red Army three days to rape and pillage. And they did just that. According to Antony Beevor, in his book, Berlin: The Downfall 1945, about 100,000 women of all ages were raped - including young girls and 80 year old grandmothers. <a rel="nofollow" href="http://observer.guardian.co.uk/europe/story/0,11363,742434,00.html" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is an account of the horror these German women went through. Indeed it is painful to watch, but a very good movie, nonetheless. Bruno Ganz’s Hitler is accurate. He was not the raving lunatic that the media portray him to be.

One scene hit a false cord, though. It is unlikely Junge could have openly walked through the Soviet line without being molested.

After the fall, Stalin gave the Red Army three days to rape and pillage. And they did just that. According to Antony Beevor, in his book, Berlin: The Downfall 1945, about 100,000 women of all ages were raped – including young girls and 80 year old grandmothers. Here is an account of the horror these German women went through.

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