http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2008/10/911-truthers.html

I’m not sure what sort of evidence would be accepted by you. If I provide government reports – well – I know you won’t accept them. If I post articles on it from think tanks, again I don’t think that will count as evidence you would accept.

I could direct you to an article from the council on foreign relations, but for many people that’s even worse than government reports. Nevertheless, if you read that report, even if you read it as pure fiction, you’ll get a sense at least for what the claims about al Qaeda are.

Beyond that, the group produces videos, audio tapes, and documents. But surely you are aware of the bin Ladin video tapes and audio tapes.

-TurretinFan

Even though you aparently do not wish to defend your additions to the list, could you at least respond to MB’s request regarding Al Quaeda?

Namely:

“Concerning the al Qaeda confession, identify what al Qaeda is, where it came from, and who speaks for it. Provide solid evidence and argument to support your answers. Unless these questions are answered, claims of “al Qaeda confessed to the crime,” are empty.”

A hint – your answer should make multiple references to Zbigniew Brzezinski.

Where is this signed confession? The FBI doesn’t seem to know about it, because Bin Laden has never been charged. Moreover, Al Qaeda doesn’t exist. Watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTTgpsAs4_c

I especially like the part where Rumsfeld shows the illustrations of massive high-tech bunkers the terrorists were using in Afghanistan. Too bad they were never found. Another one for the memory hole.

How did the government so quickly identify those 19 terrorist hijackers? Forensically? Not possible. Process of elimination? Only one small problem. No Arab names on any flight manifests.

http://www.911hardfacts.com/report_17.htm

The “hijackers” had been training at US military bases:

http://www.onlinejournal.com/archive/10-30-01_Hopsicker-printable.pdf

But don’t bother responding, because I was just trying to complete the list of common sense objections to the government story. I am not willing to debate the issue with you because my target audience would not be open to an interpretation consistent with something other than the official story.

You wrote:

TF — since this is nearly the only issue you contend with us on, I’m wondering what is going on at rock bottom: is it really the “facts” persuading you, or is your view a consequence of your biblical view of the Civil Magistrate?

It’s about the only issue of contention with you, because it’s about the only point of disagreement between us.

Related to that, and in response to MRB’s comment, I agree that there is a factual component to the objections – but there is a factual component to objections (3) and (4) as well.

I am not willing to argue the facts here any more, because I don’t think that my target audience is open to an interpretation of the facts that is consistent with the “official” theory.

I just identified the objections to help complete the list. I realize that you and Michael (my brothers in Christ) do not accept those objections to have proper factual basis.

I didn’t mean to bring this up to challenge your theory that the government is somehow directly responsible (assuming I’ve understood your claim, which may be a bad assumption).

My view of the civil magistrate is in keeping with the WCF and the Scripture. I trust that you gentlemen do not take exception to the WCF’s statements.

I don’t naively imagine that all governments are good or even that governments are “basically good.” That said, I find the alternatives to the official theory to be untenable for a variety of reasons, many of which I’ve already explained.

-TurretinFan

Yes, now, unfortunately, called Claremont Graduate University. Griffin taught at the Claremont School of Theology which is not directly connected to CGS or the rest of the Claremont colleges. I did not meet him while I was there.

Yes, Griffin has written at least two books on 911. Either one would be a good place for the Kool Aid drinkers out there to begin a serious look at the 911 scam.

If I recall correctly, you graduated from the Claremont Graduate School with an M.A. in philosophy. Did you take any courses with David Ray Griffin, who teaches in the Graduate School of Theology at Claremont? As you undoubtedly know, he, too, is a 9/11 skeptic.

and how is it easier to explain that some incapable towel heads living in a cave managed to defy physics magicaly cause norad to stand down outsmart the most powerfull gov in the world etc etc etc etc etc then to explain the overwellming paper and evidence trail left by those who had the motive the means and the will to pull it off?

and I got a big kick out of the al qaeda confessed part you put in there – well i got a kick out of all of it actually