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		<title>By: The Prima Facie Case for Holocaust Research &#124; First Word</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2009/07/holocaust-denial-and-neo-nazism/comment-page-1/#comment-11237</link>
		<dc:creator>The Prima Facie Case for Holocaust Research &#124; First Word</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] charge of &#8220;anti-semitism&#8221; as the only motive that could lead to questioning the story is question-begging. Perhaps the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TJH</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2009/07/holocaust-denial-and-neo-nazism/comment-page-1/#comment-7981</link>
		<dc:creator>TJH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is also exactly why, when I hear the words, &quot;the scholarly consensus is... &quot; I reach for my revolver. Unfortunately we hear this especially often in theology articles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is also exactly why, when I hear the words, &#8220;the scholarly consensus is&#8230; &#8221; I reach for my revolver. Unfortunately we hear this especially often in theology articles.</p>
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		<title>By: TJH</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2009/07/holocaust-denial-and-neo-nazism/comment-page-1/#comment-7952</link>
		<dc:creator>TJH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 07:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes but this is too broad a usage of the word &quot;authority.&quot; One could imagine saying, &quot;I believe the earth goes around the sun not vice-versa on the authority of logic and the law of gravitation.&quot; But my point is made when we distinguish between evidence and argument on the one hand, and appeals to experts on the other.

If someone challenges your belief &quot;the earth rotates around its axis, thus giving the illusion of the sun rising and setting,&quot; you could either say, 

(1) My encyclopedia says so, and everyone believes that, 
or
(2) The geodesic satellite would not work if the earth were not rotating. Though I do not see the geodesic satellite, I see TV dishes pointed at a fixed location and giving people TV reception.

(2) enters into a discussion; it could possibly be falsified; (1) simply ends the discussion, or at any rate changes the subject to that of the authority rather than the matter at hand.

It is quite offensive when someone says, &quot;just believe it; don&#039;t ask for evidence.&quot; Even when we must for practical reasons (e.g. to save time) rely on experts, that should only be in the context that the information &lt;i&gt;could be&lt;/i&gt; searched out and discovered in principle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes but this is too broad a usage of the word &#8220;authority.&#8221; One could imagine saying, &#8220;I believe the earth goes around the sun not vice-versa on the authority of logic and the law of gravitation.&#8221; But my point is made when we distinguish between evidence and argument on the one hand, and appeals to experts on the other.</p>
<p>If someone challenges your belief &#8220;the earth rotates around its axis, thus giving the illusion of the sun rising and setting,&#8221; you could either say, </p>
<p>(1) My encyclopedia says so, and everyone believes that,<br />
or<br />
(2) The geodesic satellite would not work if the earth were not rotating. Though I do not see the geodesic satellite, I see TV dishes pointed at a fixed location and giving people TV reception.</p>
<p>(2) enters into a discussion; it could possibly be falsified; (1) simply ends the discussion, or at any rate changes the subject to that of the authority rather than the matter at hand.</p>
<p>It is quite offensive when someone says, &#8220;just believe it; don&#8217;t ask for evidence.&#8221; Even when we must for practical reasons (e.g. to save time) rely on experts, that should only be in the context that the information <i>could be</i> searched out and discovered in principle.</p>
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		<title>By: jim</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2009/07/holocaust-denial-and-neo-nazism/comment-page-1/#comment-7909</link>
		<dc:creator>jim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 16:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...most people believe...on the weight of authority....  

Is there a choice?  Who can study all the source evidence of everything to know?  And even then would belief not be &quot;on the weight of authority&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;most people believe&#8230;on the weight of authority&#8230;.  </p>
<p>Is there a choice?  Who can study all the source evidence of everything to know?  And even then would belief not be &#8220;on the weight of authority&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2009/07/holocaust-denial-and-neo-nazism/comment-page-1/#comment-7863</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But clearly, most people believe in the Holocaust on the weight of authority, not on the basis of examination of evidence.&quot;

This is part of a larger problem of whites blindly trusting authorities. We identify with and trust &quot;our&quot; institutions which are often universal-oriented (not white oriented) and if anything dishonestly anti-white, and thus untrustworthy.

Big lies don&#039;t happen in &quot;our&quot; country - that only happens in Russia and China but couldn&#039;t happen here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But clearly, most people believe in the Holocaust on the weight of authority, not on the basis of examination of evidence.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is part of a larger problem of whites blindly trusting authorities. We identify with and trust &#8220;our&#8221; institutions which are often universal-oriented (not white oriented) and if anything dishonestly anti-white, and thus untrustworthy.</p>
<p>Big lies don&#8217;t happen in &#8220;our&#8221; country &#8211; that only happens in Russia and China but couldn&#8217;t happen here.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Kerr</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2009/07/holocaust-denial-and-neo-nazism/comment-page-1/#comment-7292</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting to try to find the earliest use of the term, &quot;exterminate,&quot; as applied to humans.  As far back as I&#039;ve been able to go, it originates with the early Jewish Bolshevik propagandists, who used to refer to Russian country people- peasants-  non-Jews, really, as &quot;insects&quot; and, as we know, &quot;exterminate&quot; goes with &quot;insects&quot;.  We&#039;re talking at least 10 to 15 years before 1933 Germany, and of course, that&#039;s more than 20 years before the &#039;Holocaust&#039;. The Russian Jew, Ilya Ehrenburg, comes to mind.  Wicked, wicked man.  I&#039;ve often wondered if Ilya was related to Israel Ehrenburg, aka &#039;Ashley Montagu&#039; in England, but I digress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting to try to find the earliest use of the term, &#8220;exterminate,&#8221; as applied to humans.  As far back as I&#8217;ve been able to go, it originates with the early Jewish Bolshevik propagandists, who used to refer to Russian country people- peasants-  non-Jews, really, as &#8220;insects&#8221; and, as we know, &#8220;exterminate&#8221; goes with &#8220;insects&#8221;.  We&#8217;re talking at least 10 to 15 years before 1933 Germany, and of course, that&#8217;s more than 20 years before the &#8216;Holocaust&#8217;. The Russian Jew, Ilya Ehrenburg, comes to mind.  Wicked, wicked man.  I&#8217;ve often wondered if Ilya was related to Israel Ehrenburg, aka &#8216;Ashley Montagu&#8217; in England, but I digress.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Kerr</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2009/07/holocaust-denial-and-neo-nazism/comment-page-1/#comment-7261</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comments on the nickname, &quot;Nazi&quot;:  Like you, I was curious about this, having read that the National Socialists never, ever referred to themselves as &quot;Nazi&#039;s&quot;.  In my studies on the Bolsheviks, I noticed that the Bolshies were mightily attracted to acronyms, and those acronyms, in English, were always apt.  I suspect that, like Trotsky, many early Bolshies lived in NYC, but &quot;went over&quot; to partake of the Red Revolution in 1915 and 1917, when it really mattered, and so they knew English? Anyway, here are some apt Bolshie acronyms, and then you tell me if &quot;Nazi&quot; can logically belong as an acronym, at all:
GenSec (General Secretary, ie, Stalin), Politbureau (Political Bureau, duh!), Agitprop (Agitation &amp; Propaganda), CenCom (Central Committee), GULAG (I can&#039;t remember, but it&#039;s Russian and it&#039;s a long string of words).  Now, would anyone acronymize National Socialist to Nazi?  How about National Zionism?  Perhaps, to confuse the enemy, this was changed from referring to National Zionism, to referring to the Germans, early on in the fight between the Stalinists and Germany?  I dunno.  The whole thing is full of holes, the way the Holocause has been made into an unquestionable legend.  Why write Holocaust Denial laws-  LAWs-  if not to dissuade people from looking into it all?  Seems a bit drastic, if all you intend is to &quot;protect&quot; Jewish &quot;sensibilities&quot;!
A search on National Zionism will yield a treasure trove of info on the beginings of modern-day Israel, from the early 20th century, on.  A search on the Transfer Agreement (Ha&#039; avira, if memory serves)is very interesting in this regard, as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comments on the nickname, &#8220;Nazi&#8221;:  Like you, I was curious about this, having read that the National Socialists never, ever referred to themselves as &#8220;Nazi&#8217;s&#8221;.  In my studies on the Bolsheviks, I noticed that the Bolshies were mightily attracted to acronyms, and those acronyms, in English, were always apt.  I suspect that, like Trotsky, many early Bolshies lived in NYC, but &#8220;went over&#8221; to partake of the Red Revolution in 1915 and 1917, when it really mattered, and so they knew English? Anyway, here are some apt Bolshie acronyms, and then you tell me if &#8220;Nazi&#8221; can logically belong as an acronym, at all:<br />
GenSec (General Secretary, ie, Stalin), Politbureau (Political Bureau, duh!), Agitprop (Agitation &amp; Propaganda), CenCom (Central Committee), GULAG (I can&#8217;t remember, but it&#8217;s Russian and it&#8217;s a long string of words).  Now, would anyone acronymize National Socialist to Nazi?  How about National Zionism?  Perhaps, to confuse the enemy, this was changed from referring to National Zionism, to referring to the Germans, early on in the fight between the Stalinists and Germany?  I dunno.  The whole thing is full of holes, the way the Holocause has been made into an unquestionable legend.  Why write Holocaust Denial laws-  LAWs-  if not to dissuade people from looking into it all?  Seems a bit drastic, if all you intend is to &#8220;protect&#8221; Jewish &#8220;sensibilities&#8221;!<br />
A search on National Zionism will yield a treasure trove of info on the beginings of modern-day Israel, from the early 20th century, on.  A search on the Transfer Agreement (Ha&#8217; avira, if memory serves)is very interesting in this regard, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Kerr</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2009/07/holocaust-denial-and-neo-nazism/comment-page-1/#comment-7260</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Kerr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 17:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi.    I have a question.  Tim, you wrote, &quot;Dr Berman’s testimony at the Eichmann trial ...&quot; and I want to know which Berman was this???  There were at least 3 Berman brothers who were dedicated mass murderers for Stalin, one of which headed the &quot;de-Nazification&quot; of Poland in the aftermath of WWII, which would have encompassed all &quot;Nazi&quot; &quot;death camps&quot; (including the rebuilding of Auschwitz) except one, and that one, in Germany, is questionable as a &quot;death camp&quot; and might have been merely (if I may use that word) a transit camp, fighting the cholera and typhus epidemics of the time, de-lousing, removing shoes, etc (why bother to give the victims tickets for their shoes and other belongings?)  The evil Bermans were: Matvei, Jacob/Yakov/Yokub, and Boris.  Look up: Belomor, Holomodor, Naftali Frenkel and you&#039;ll see Bermans everywhere.

Was &#039;your&#039; Berman one of the ones I mentioned above?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi.    I have a question.  Tim, you wrote, &#8220;Dr Berman’s testimony at the Eichmann trial &#8230;&#8221; and I want to know which Berman was this???  There were at least 3 Berman brothers who were dedicated mass murderers for Stalin, one of which headed the &#8220;de-Nazification&#8221; of Poland in the aftermath of WWII, which would have encompassed all &#8220;Nazi&#8221; &#8220;death camps&#8221; (including the rebuilding of Auschwitz) except one, and that one, in Germany, is questionable as a &#8220;death camp&#8221; and might have been merely (if I may use that word) a transit camp, fighting the cholera and typhus epidemics of the time, de-lousing, removing shoes, etc (why bother to give the victims tickets for their shoes and other belongings?)  The evil Bermans were: Matvei, Jacob/Yakov/Yokub, and Boris.  Look up: Belomor, Holomodor, Naftali Frenkel and you&#8217;ll see Bermans everywhere.</p>
<p>Was &#8216;your&#8217; Berman one of the ones I mentioned above?</p>
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		<title>By: danielj</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2009/07/holocaust-denial-and-neo-nazism/comment-page-1/#comment-7237</link>
		<dc:creator>danielj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;ll head down your way before I head back from Little Rhody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll head down your way before I head back from Little Rhody.</p>
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		<title>By: TJH</title>
		<link>http://firstword.us/2009/07/holocaust-denial-and-neo-nazism/comment-page-1/#comment-7200</link>
		<dc:creator>TJH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel (and all other readers) -- no, I&#039;m in the OPC in Wilmington, Delaware. Please look me up if traveling along the mighty 95 with time to grab a cup of coffee or a whiskey. (However, a move may be in the offing soon, so make sure to check first if possible.)

I know the OPC in San Francisco used to be excellent when I was there in the 90s, and hopefully still is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel (and all other readers) &#8212; no, I&#8217;m in the OPC in Wilmington, Delaware. Please look me up if traveling along the mighty 95 with time to grab a cup of coffee or a whiskey. (However, a move may be in the offing soon, so make sure to check first if possible.)</p>
<p>I know the OPC in San Francisco used to be excellent when I was there in the 90s, and hopefully still is.</p>
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