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		<title>Comment on When I hear the words &#8220;semper reformanda,&#8221; I reach for my revolver by Bill J</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2012 20:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting.  Just for information&#039;s sake, I hear the term used at our annual synod assembly (Lutheran)this past weekend... hence my arrival here.

Thanks for all of the information!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting.  Just for information&#8217;s sake, I hear the term used at our annual synod assembly (Lutheran)this past weekend&#8230; hence my arrival here.</p>
<p>Thanks for all of the information!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hedy Lamarr is Back, Hide the Kids by T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2012 13:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Rose, it&#039;s odd, because your own jewpedia, here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr
says,
&quot;In early 1933 she starred in Gustav Machatý&#039;s notorious film Ecstasy, a Czechoslovak film made in Prague, in which she played the love-hungry young wife of an indifferent older husband. Closeups of her face during orgasm in one scene (rumored to be unsimulated), and full frontal shots of her in another scene, swimming and running nude through the woods, gave the film great notoriety.&quot;

It certainly does not look as if she had a very difficult life, being both born into wealth and marrying even more. Or said differently, what difficulties she had were natural corollaries of her own unique mix of sins.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Rose, it&#8217;s odd, because your own jewpedia, here:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedy_Lamarr</a><br />
says,<br />
&#8220;In early 1933 she starred in Gustav Machatý&#8217;s notorious film Ecstasy, a Czechoslovak film made in Prague, in which she played the love-hungry young wife of an indifferent older husband. Closeups of her face during orgasm in one scene (rumored to be unsimulated), and full frontal shots of her in another scene, swimming and running nude through the woods, gave the film great notoriety.&#8221;</p>
<p>It certainly does not look as if she had a very difficult life, being both born into wealth and marrying even more. Or said differently, what difficulties she had were natural corollaries of her own unique mix of sins.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hedy Lamarr is Back, Hide the Kids by T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 20:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy veh!

(more when I get back from travel)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy veh!</p>
<p>(more when I get back from travel)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hedy Lamarr is Back, Hide the Kids by Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2012 22:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you are saying is completely untrue and bordering on libel. I mean first of all Extasy was not &quot;even shocking by todays standards&quot;, there was barely any nudity. Secondly, you obviously know nothing on this subject, heck, you admitted it yourself. And finally this is just inane, you can&#039;t say things this heinous about someone who was trying so hard to be good and had such a difficult life. I mean, come on, would you want someone to do this to you, espescially if you couldn&#039;t defend yourself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you are saying is completely untrue and bordering on libel. I mean first of all Extasy was not &#8220;even shocking by todays standards&#8221;, there was barely any nudity. Secondly, you obviously know nothing on this subject, heck, you admitted it yourself. And finally this is just inane, you can&#8217;t say things this heinous about someone who was trying so hard to be good and had such a difficult life. I mean, come on, would you want someone to do this to you, espescially if you couldn&#8217;t defend yourself?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Hamites and the Hitler by T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unsanctified original sin, leading to the other things listed, given the Yankee&#039;s specific historical Sitz im Leben.

Anon-- we let your message through, though you used an improper email address. But that&#039;s only because we thought others might have the same question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unsanctified original sin, leading to the other things listed, given the Yankee&#8217;s specific historical Sitz im Leben.</p>
<p>Anon&#8211; we let your message through, though you used an improper email address. But that&#8217;s only because we thought others might have the same question.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Hamites and the Hitler by Anon #439</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon #439</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Mar 2012 22:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It was the Yankee’s soul that was the problem&quot;

What was the problem with the Yankee&#039;s soul?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It was the Yankee’s soul that was the problem&#8221;</p>
<p>What was the problem with the Yankee&#8217;s soul?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Hamites and the Hitler by T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok Lee let&#039;s go point by point. We give one free lesson in critical thinking -- after that you have to pay.

#12. The point is simply that Ham has been highly selective in his presentation of evidence, and this is even more obvious after seeing your additional list of groups not mentioned. He pruned the evidence in such a way as to give superficial plausibility to his anti-evolution rhetoric. When the entire list is mentioned, not only does Ham&#039;s argument lose all its kick, but he sets himself up for the suspicion of being a dishonest man.

#13. On Lincoln, I&#039;ll stand by the summary given here:
http://butler-harris.org/archives/85
The quote you give, no matter how worn out, is certainly sufficient to prove that Lincoln did not wage war for the purpose of abolishing slavery. 

Note however that that is a quite different question as to whether &quot;if there had not existed slavery there would still have been a Civil War.&quot; You could also say, &quot;if there had not existed a tariff...&quot; or &quot;if the North was still dominated by Christians....&quot; etc. At SOME point, the answer will be no. But historical hypotheticals can only be speculated on.  I would rather suggest there is an organic connection between all these things. That is, the Yankee&#039;s willingness to exploit Americans in another region/susceptibility to abolitionist sophistry/abandonment of orthodox Christianity is all ONE problem, not many. It was the Yankee&#039;s soul that was the problem, not this that or the other heresy in isolation.

Whatever Lincoln&#039;s deep feelings about slavery were, we will perhaps never know, since he was the consummate opportunist and politician. However, I think we should certainly agree with his view, documented beyond dispute, that the Negro after emancipation should either be shipped back to Africa or, if he remains, occupy a subordinate position. I think some modern Confederates jump all over on Lincoln for this, but improperly. Yes, it shows the hypocrisy of Republican historiography, but still, Lincoln happened to be right on that point.

#14. How do you explain Lincoln waiting two years to issue it, and why did it not apply to areas (including those that never seceded) that were not &quot;in rebellion&quot;? See the essay referred to above for more information on this. No, if anything the Emancipation Proclamation proves that Lincoln was not a dogmatic abolitionist.

#15. Well Lee here we see your difficulty dealing with both minor and major premise in an argument.

First, I have read large sections in Mein Kampf and not come to anything about evolution or Charles Darwin, nor do I find either topic listed in the index. But I haven&#039;t read every single page, and perhaps the index is inadequate. Nevertheless, I&#039;m calling your bluff, or what I suspect is your bluff: please provide the page numbers and edition in which you claim to have found this discussion.

As I was flipping through the volume last night to check your point, I did find a section in which Hitler describes certain ways the Aryan is inferior, and the jew superior. I will be glad to supply you the page #s AFTER you give us the ones supporting your claim.

However, apart from the factual question, I already addressed your claim in the essay, saying &quot;If it turns out that H believed in evolution in point of fact, would that prove Ham’s thesis? No it would not. It is the logical entailment that is wrong with Ham’s analysis.&quot;  You are not grasping the analysis of entailment. Go back and read the essay more carefully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Lee let&#8217;s go point by point. We give one free lesson in critical thinking &#8212; after that you have to pay.</p>
<p>#12. The point is simply that Ham has been highly selective in his presentation of evidence, and this is even more obvious after seeing your additional list of groups not mentioned. He pruned the evidence in such a way as to give superficial plausibility to his anti-evolution rhetoric. When the entire list is mentioned, not only does Ham&#8217;s argument lose all its kick, but he sets himself up for the suspicion of being a dishonest man.</p>
<p>#13. On Lincoln, I&#8217;ll stand by the summary given here:<br />
<a href="http://butler-harris.org/archives/85" rel="nofollow">http://butler-harris.org/archives/85</a><br />
The quote you give, no matter how worn out, is certainly sufficient to prove that Lincoln did not wage war for the purpose of abolishing slavery. </p>
<p>Note however that that is a quite different question as to whether &#8220;if there had not existed slavery there would still have been a Civil War.&#8221; You could also say, &#8220;if there had not existed a tariff&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;if the North was still dominated by Christians&#8230;.&#8221; etc. At SOME point, the answer will be no. But historical hypotheticals can only be speculated on.  I would rather suggest there is an organic connection between all these things. That is, the Yankee&#8217;s willingness to exploit Americans in another region/susceptibility to abolitionist sophistry/abandonment of orthodox Christianity is all ONE problem, not many. It was the Yankee&#8217;s soul that was the problem, not this that or the other heresy in isolation.</p>
<p>Whatever Lincoln&#8217;s deep feelings about slavery were, we will perhaps never know, since he was the consummate opportunist and politician. However, I think we should certainly agree with his view, documented beyond dispute, that the Negro after emancipation should either be shipped back to Africa or, if he remains, occupy a subordinate position. I think some modern Confederates jump all over on Lincoln for this, but improperly. Yes, it shows the hypocrisy of Republican historiography, but still, Lincoln happened to be right on that point.</p>
<p>#14. How do you explain Lincoln waiting two years to issue it, and why did it not apply to areas (including those that never seceded) that were not &#8220;in rebellion&#8221;? See the essay referred to above for more information on this. No, if anything the Emancipation Proclamation proves that Lincoln was not a dogmatic abolitionist.</p>
<p>#15. Well Lee here we see your difficulty dealing with both minor and major premise in an argument.</p>
<p>First, I have read large sections in Mein Kampf and not come to anything about evolution or Charles Darwin, nor do I find either topic listed in the index. But I haven&#8217;t read every single page, and perhaps the index is inadequate. Nevertheless, I&#8217;m calling your bluff, or what I suspect is your bluff: please provide the page numbers and edition in which you claim to have found this discussion.</p>
<p>As I was flipping through the volume last night to check your point, I did find a section in which Hitler describes certain ways the Aryan is inferior, and the jew superior. I will be glad to supply you the page #s AFTER you give us the ones supporting your claim.</p>
<p>However, apart from the factual question, I already addressed your claim in the essay, saying &#8220;If it turns out that H believed in evolution in point of fact, would that prove Ham’s thesis? No it would not. It is the logical entailment that is wrong with Ham’s analysis.&#8221;  You are not grasping the analysis of entailment. Go back and read the essay more carefully.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Hamites and the Hitler by Lee Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 02:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally, you say that Aryan mixture with Jews is an argument one could make &quot;with or without evolution.&quot;  The problem is Hitler DID make that point using evolution as his evidence for making it.  Are you aware of the fact that Hitler was a proponent of eugenics and evolution?  That he was an ardent admirer of Charles Darwin?  Have you read Mein Kampf?  You need to so you will know what Hitler believed about evolution.  He believed the Aryan race was evolutions next leap forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally, you say that Aryan mixture with Jews is an argument one could make &#8220;with or without evolution.&#8221;  The problem is Hitler DID make that point using evolution as his evidence for making it.  Are you aware of the fact that Hitler was a proponent of eugenics and evolution?  That he was an ardent admirer of Charles Darwin?  Have you read Mein Kampf?  You need to so you will know what Hitler believed about evolution.  He believed the Aryan race was evolutions next leap forward.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Hamites and the Hitler by Lee Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 02:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do you explain the Emancipation Proclamation?</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Hamites and the Hitler by Lee Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 02:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On another note, are you saying the Civil War was not waged with the intent of freeing slaves?  Are you apt to quote that worn out line about Lincoln saying &quot;if I could preserve the union without freeing a single slave I would do so?&quot; - leaving out the balancing portion of that quote which reads &quot;and if I could preserve the union and free all the slaves I would do so.&quot;  Lincoln was always an abolitionist.  It was always on his mind to free the slaves.  If not, how do you explain the Lincoln/Douglas debates where Lincoln insisted that if the document which states &quot;all men are created equal&quot; is untrue, &quot;then let us destroy that document...but if it is true, then let us live by it.&quot; sic 
Do you mean to say that if there had not existed slavery there would still have been a Civil War?  You should really consider research before going off half cocked the way you did.  Your writing is snide, insulting and lacks serious objectivity.  You sound flat out mad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On another note, are you saying the Civil War was not waged with the intent of freeing slaves?  Are you apt to quote that worn out line about Lincoln saying &#8220;if I could preserve the union without freeing a single slave I would do so?&#8221; &#8211; leaving out the balancing portion of that quote which reads &#8220;and if I could preserve the union and free all the slaves I would do so.&#8221;  Lincoln was always an abolitionist.  It was always on his mind to free the slaves.  If not, how do you explain the Lincoln/Douglas debates where Lincoln insisted that if the document which states &#8220;all men are created equal&#8221; is untrue, &#8220;then let us destroy that document&#8230;but if it is true, then let us live by it.&#8221; sic<br />
Do you mean to say that if there had not existed slavery there would still have been a Civil War?  You should really consider research before going off half cocked the way you did.  Your writing is snide, insulting and lacks serious objectivity.  You sound flat out mad.</p>
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